they seem to be negotiating against themselves. they give a proposal, obama gives a non-proposal, and they respond with another proposal. here's what i don't understand. seems the answer is simple if they're worried about the pr side or the political side. pass the bill. extend all the bush tax cuts and then the president and the senate or the president decides if they want to raise taxes on the middle class or not. put it on them. put the onus on them. >> they will have voted not to do that. obama has made a bet that the republican party is so inept at the politics of this that they will get stuck with it. he can hang the debt alba tros of the biggest tax increase in american history around their next. >> he wants it all. howard dean is the only guy i see that has said this is the best case scenario. they get defense sequestration, they get to raise taxes on everybody, and then they blame the republicans. >> yeah. and for howard dean, he's a man who basically believes in the european unionization of the united states. if you belie